There is nothing to discuss.

Posted by Terry Nelson on Nov 15th, 2007

It is such a long tedious story…

A lesbian and her dad wrote a book.  They were scheduled to give a talk at a dissident parish.  The Archdiocese said no - they cannot speak on Church property.  The talk was cancelled and held at another location.  A local gay activist wrote a letter of protest - about the cancellation and lack of dialogue between pro-gay Catholics and the archdiocese.  Then the Archbishop stepped up to the plate and responded to the situation.

What?

Yes, Archbishop Nienstedt actually addressed the problem head on - he wrote a response in the diocesan news paper.  The gay activist, Michael Bayly responded on his blog and on the local television news  tonight.  (It’s turning into a sort of dialogue now, right?) 

Michael Bayly said:

For both Archbishop Nienstedt and Fr. Livingston (NB: Fr. Livingston is the chaplain for Courage), it seems that the church’s only valid pastoral response to “persons with same-sex attractions” is the national apostolate Courage, which for the past ten years has had a branch in the Archdiocese of St. Paul/Minneapolis that goes by the name of Faith in Action. “Every meeting [of Faith in Action],” Fr. Livingston writes, “takes place with a priest chaplain and includes the opportunity for private confession.” - Mr. Bayly

Archbishop Nienstedt said:

• Those who actively encourage or promote homosexual acts or such activity within a homosexual lifestyle formally cooperate in a grave evil and, if they do so knowingly and willingly, are guilty of mortal sin. They have broken communion with the church and are prohibited from receiving holy Communion until they have had a conversion of heart, expressed sorrow for their action and received sacramental absolution from a priest. - Archbishop Nienstedt 

[Now remember, this whole thing started over a speaking engagement at the Church of St. Frances Cabrini in Minneapolis.]

Michael wrote:

In the November 1 issue of The Catholic Spirit, the official newspaper of the Archdiocese of St. Paul/Minneapolis, editor Joe Towalski discussed what the Church “really teaches” about homosexuality. Towalski’s editorial was in response to the archdiocese’s October 22 decision to prohibit 82-year-old “cradle-Catholic” Robert Curoe and his lesbian daughter Carol from speaking at a CPCSM-sponsored event at St. Frances Cabrini Catholic Church. (To read more about this, click here and here.)

Towalski’s editorial reiterates the official church teaching on the immorality of “homosexual activity,” and reaffirms the catechism’s call for homosexuals to be “accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.”

The editorial also directs people to the 1997 U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishop’s statement, Always Our Children – a statement that encourages parents to “accept and love” themselves and their gay son or daughter, and to do all that they can to “urge [their] son or daughter to stayed joined to the Catholic faith community.”

As executive coordinator of the 27-year-old Catholic Pastoral Committee on Sexual Minorities (CPCSM), I wrote and submitted a “counter-point commentary” to The Catholic Spirit in response to Towalski’s November 1 editorial.

My friend Paula Ruddy submitted a letter-to-the-editor. Neither was published in subsequent issues of the newspaper. Upon inquiring why this was the case, we were informed that it was not possible for The Catholic Spirit to serve as a forum for dialogue around church teachings. - Mr. Bayly

And then the Archbishop wrote:

• At their special assembly in Denver from June 14 to 19, 2004, just before the last presidential election, the U.S. bishops issued a document (see Origins, July 1, 2004, Vol. 34, no. 7) clarifying the role of Catholic politicians with respect to their stands on moral issues within the public arena. The second to last point of that document was our collective resolve that Catholic churches, colleges and other institutions should not give “awards, honors or platforms” to persons who, whether Catholic or not, held public positions contrary to the church’s defined teaching. To do so would cause scandal, leading Catholics to be confused about what is right and wrong according to the teachings of the church, prompting them to endorse or even to commit immoral behavior.

This is why it was not appropriate for Carol Curoe and her father to speak at the Church of St. Francis Cabrini in Minneapolis. - Archbishop Nienstedt

The upshot:

So here is the deal.  The new Archbishop is obviously not going to soft pedal the teaching of the Church as regards homosexuality.  Those days are over.  As Michael Bayly correctly observed in this post on his blog:

“The Catholic Spirit’s November 1 editorial that I referred to in my previous post reflects what could be seen as the Archdiocese of St. Paul/Minneapolis long-standing pastoral approach to homosexuality – one endorsed and articulated by the past two administrations of Archbishop John Roach and Archbishop Harry Flynn. That approach has, however, been replaced by a very different one – as demonstrated by various statements made by the incoming Archbishop John Nienstedt, and by the “My Turn” column by Fr. Jim Livingston published in the November 8 Catholic Spirit.” - Mr. Bayly

 That’s pretty much it.

 [Thanks to Ray of Stella Borealis  for the tip.]
 

The nutty blogosphere…

Posted by Terry Nelson on Nov 15th, 2007

 

“Hello?  No, I’m sorry,  there is no one here by that name.” 

When I have nothing to blog about, I go looking for trouble.  I’ve actually picked up a few links in the process.  I’m kind of in to Sr. Mary Martha  now - she is actually very funny - especially if you imagine she really looks like the photo she has of herself.

My favorite nut-job articles are usually found at Spirit Daily.  Was it last week the missing British girl was supposedly seen in Medjugorje?  After a day or two, I had to read the account.  It reminded me of the Hitchcock film, “The Man Who Knew Too Much”… dumb story.  I know people see a lot of stuff in Medj - but Madeleine?  C’mon.  Days later, the sighting is confirmed to be in error  - except for die-hard Medj people - I’m sure for them it was some sort of a sign.

Don’t look at the digital clock!

Another intriguing article on Spirit had to do with people seeing the same numbers all of the time - especially 11:11.  One reader wrote:

“This has been going on for years, especially since September 11,” noted Diane Santoro. “I thought it was odd that I would not look at a digital clock all day and then when I did it was 11:11. Even at night I would wake and it would be 11:11 or 3:00 a.m. After several years I mentioned it to two devout Catholic friends and they said, ‘Us too!’ Today another friend who is close to the Lord said out of the blue that she keeps seeing 11:11.” - Spirit Daily

Wow!  That’s eerie - huh?  I just checked the date on my caller ID screen and it said 11:15.  I’m so glad I didn’t check it on 11:11!

Time flies, doesn’t it?

Spirit Daily is entertaining though.  There was another riveting article on how time seems to be speeding up.  One reader wrote:

“My daughter called her three daughters in for dinner (ages eight for the twins and a ten-year-old).  They said to her, ‘Mommy, it can’t be dinnertime. We just ate breakfast!’” - Spirit Daily

Isn’t that just so freaky?  (What if the mom had early onset of Alzheimer’s though, and the kids really had just eaten breakfast?)

“Where were the men?” asks Doris.

The following is the best story though - Spirit has an article on how something is going to happen  - and soon!  (I knew something was going to happen sooner or later!)  It has to do with a rumor - something big is going to happen.  (I think it is connected to numbers and the fact time is speeding up - in fact, seeing how fast time goes by, maybe it already happened, and we are just now becoming aware of  it!)  We are not told anything specific, just enough to be prepared however.  (It seems to be a “need to know” thing.)

Recently there was a rumor that something was about to break, that a new item would soon come that would greatly shake the faithful. It would affect many apostolates, said this rumor — not exactly a rampant rumor, but one about which we received limited word.

It sounded like scandal. Would it be a major bishop? Would it be problems in Rome? - Spirit Daily

I’m on pins and needles.  When it breaks - believe me I’m blogging about it!  And don’t try to accuse me of detraction either.

“No!  I told you Madeleine is not here!  Now quit calling!”

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